An interesting article from an American non-theist? Friend, Jim Cain, can be found here in Friends Journal (USA – strongly associated with Friends General Conference):
The November newsletter with our latest news, book reviews, details of the 2019 conference, short articles as well as news from nontheist Friends in America has now been added to the website.
NFN members and others who have signed up to receive this will have had it in their email a week or so ago.
As with all the other newsletters, please see under ‘Articles – Newsletters’ above.
Details for the NFN 2019 Gathering at Woodbrooke have been updated today including further details about our speakers.
All members of NFN are invited to attend the AGM which will take place on the Saturday of our annual gathering at Woodbrooke. (30th March 2019).
Application forms for the conference have now been posted on the 2019 Conference page.
We hope as many of you as are able will attend the conference which is our best opportunity each year to gather together with like-minded Friends but if you are not able to do so please consider coming for the day on Saturday or just for the AGM.
A recent enquiry on our Contact page asked about non-theism and Quaker marriage.
See this comment for details but see also the recent publication on Quaker marriage from Friends’ House here: http://www.quaker.org.uk/blog/what-to-expect-from-a-quaker-wedding
The NFN July Newsletter (4 August 2018), which NFN members and others on our mailing list should have received by email a few days ago, has been uploaded to the website today. (See Newsletters under Articles).
The Newsletter has numerous interesting articles and reviews and includes a questionnaire which aims to compare “the viewpoints of different people who attend Quaker meetings and their attitudes towards religion and spirituality“.
Anyone attending any Quaker meeting is invited to complete the questionnaire (ignoring question 5 if appropriate) and send it to Patrick Cremona at the email address given. The article and questionnaire from the Newsletter are reproduced in full here:
Research questions for nontheist Friends
Patrick Cremona, currently finishing a masters in Magazine Journalism at Cardiff University, has written to seek our help in answering questions about aspects of our Quakerism. He writes:
“The piece that I am currently working on is part of a series of articles exploring spirituality in the twenty-first century, which will form my major project for my masters, and will also hopefully be pitched to other outlets once it is finished. This idea for this particular feature was inspired by both the Simon Jenkins article you linked [on the NFN website]and a conversation with a (non-religious) friend of mine who has recently started attending Quaker meetings. Its aim is to explore ideas of religion, theism and spirituality, and the differences between them, with specific reference to Quaker meetings. While I found the aforementioned Jenkins article interesting, it didn’t include quotes from Quakers and this is where my article would differ. Rather than being an opinion piece, I would be looking at comparing the viewpoints of different people who attend Quaker meetings and their attitudes towards religion and spirituality… I aim to conduct thorough research on the topic, and I am planning on attending a Quaker meeting in Cardiff in the near future.”
Patrick has sent us a questionnaire and readers are invited to respond to him via <firstname.lastname@example.org>.
- How long have you been attending Quaker meetings?
- What were your original reasons for attending, and what were your views about theism at the time?
- To you personally, what are the differences between religion, theism and spirituality?
- Have your views regarding religion, spirituality and theism changed over time?
- Why did you join the Non-theist Friend network? Has doing so enhanced your experience as a Quaker?
- Have you noticed a general trend towards a more non-theist approach amongst Friends in general?
- In a world where traditional religion is continuing to steadily decline, in what ways do Quaker meetings offer an alternative form of worship?
- Although religion has been declining, spiritual activities and mindfulness practices are in vogue. Do you think a less rigid form of spirituality can replace more structured, organised religion in the twenty-first century, and what are the advantages of this?
- What would you say to someone with no religious beliefs who was interested in attending Quaker meetings?
I recently came across this post on Sam Barnett-Cormack’s (Quaker) Openings blogspot website: https://quakeropenings.blogspot.com/2018/01/theism-vs-non-theism.html and felt it worth drawing attention to it here.
(In the original version of THIS post, I credited the said post to Rhiannon Grant, perhaps because her name appeared below in a comment. I have now corrected the error here.)
The piece is quite wordy (and Sam says “Verbosity is not a virtue, but a tendency towards excessive brevity can do a surprising amount of damage.”) but tries to get to grips with, as one might say, ‘the heart of the matter’.
His final two paragraphs include “We are not contending with one another, whatever the ongoing disagreement-in-public between Boulton and Guiton might suggest.”; “Let us be Friends, in truth and not just as the traditional code term for our faith in-group.”; and concludes with the one line “For the sake of all that is good and true, let us be Friends.”
But he also says “We can explain our experiences and understanding of the Divine without it being an attempt to convince or exclude others.” and whilst this may be true, I certainly know ‘non-theist’ Friends who will have no truck with the ‘Divine’.
But then again, that is surely just a matter of ‘words’ – isn’t it?
How do Friends, Quakers, theists, non-theists or whatever, feel about ‘Spirit’? Is this ‘Holy’? Is spirit or inspiration just a matter of breath? Is the Inner Light Winstanley’s ‘light of pure reason’ or something else altogether? The spirit of Christ? Human spirit?
Quaker Spirit? (as in the newly arrived website http://www.quakerspirit.com/view/ministryofthemoment/wedoneedgod.aspx )
The last mentioned spirit (page) ends with “And, whilst we are talking of it; in the light of the BBC question “So what is the difference between Quakerism and Mindfulness today?” Should not a simple answer suffice, e.g. Quakerism has at its root a belief in the Divine i.e. God-centric, whereas Mindfulness has at its root “Knowing directly what is going on inside and outside ourselves, moment by moment.” i.e self-centric.
You may want to know the provenance of that last website. It seems to be an initiative, possibly individual and personal, of Stephen Feltham from the Friends Fellowship of Healing and says “Quaker Spirit is an initiative to gather Friends with the sole purpose of experiencing the spiritual and mystical ethos of Quakerism.”
Elsewhere on the site (under Modern Quakers) we find “Your teacher is inside you, don’t look outside. It will teach you wherever you are.” (quoting Rex Ambler paraphrasing George Fox) and “The light is what enables you to see. This light enlightens you, it shows you when you do something wrong. (For me, this is the light of awareness, mindfulness)” and “We believe that we all have an inward teacher. This inward teacher can be found in the still silence. This inward teacher is “that of God” (or whatever name you wish to call that which is beyond all names, I like the term True Self). ” (Self-centric?).
So God (the word, or the Word?) is problematic for some Friends; ‘Divine’ perhaps more so for some of those same Friends. What about ‘Spirit’? The Quaker Spirit website lists ‘Other Quaker groups’ as Friends Fellowship of Healing, Quaker Fellowship for Afterlife Studies, The Kindlers, Quaker Universalist Group, Experiment with Light Network, Quaker Quest, and Quaker Arts Network, and it is implicitly clear that these groups are seen as fellow travellers as it were. I’m not sure that all of those groups would accept the association but can see the point about “the sole purpose of experiencing the spiritual and mystical ethos of Quakerism.”
That’s seven groups implicitly associated and a page about a proposed Quaker Spirit Gathering (for summer 2021?) says: “When first distributed to our ‘Other Groups’ a very encouraging set of replies was received. Read them here.” There are eight replies but none of them is explicitly associated with any of those seven groups.
I can’t help wondering if this is an ‘inclusive Spirit’ or an exclusive one?
Then: Mark 3:28-29 “Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
and Luke 12:10 10 “And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.”
or in the non-canonical (and clearly heretical) Gospel of Thomas:
44. Jesus said, “Whoever blasphemes against the Father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven.”
In the end then, what Friends think, believe or experience of the ‘spirit’ might be a matter of some significance.
Paul Parker, the recording clerk for British Quakers, says the Quakers are looking to redefine what it means to believe in God — because the faith doesn’t tell you what to believe. (Podcast on Radio Canada).
Listen to the full episode 54:00: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/sounds-of-silence-1.4688305
An article in The Guardian (online) by Simon Jenkins under this title, dated 4 May 2018, has brought many more visitors to our NFN site – in fact linking to an article by David Boulton which references a 2013 survey cited by Ben Pink Dandelion. Perhaps we should return the compliment and put a link to the Guardian article here!
Some Friends, including ‘non-theists’, might think this title is a travesty of the Quaker position and Yearly Meeting decision to revise Quaker Faith and Practice. (Link edited at 22.00 Central European Time to be more useful on a mobile device!)
Simon Jenkins writes ‘I am not a Quaker or religious, but I have been to Quaker meetings, usually marriages or funerals, and found them deeply moving’. As this member and attender for 8 years (Trevor Bending) has so far been to only one Quaker marriage (my own) and no Quaker funerals (yet), we must assume that Simon has a considerable number of Quaker friends or contacts. In any event, his article is much more interesting than the provocative title and well worth reading.
I think some further consideration or re-consideration of what we might mean by ‘non-theism’ is now due in the light of the YM decision and the publication of ‘God, Words and Us‘.
It would be wonderfully appreciated if some of our NFN members, Followers, and Friends were to append their comments here!
(Note from David Boulton)
Just a quick note to say the BBC are going ahead with The Big Questions TV programme this coming Sunday (10am on BBC 1), asking whether religion needs God, with particular reference to the theist/nontheist dialogue among Quakers, and the decision to revise the Red Book made at YM last weekend.
David and Rhiannon Grant have been asked to participate.
I look forward to it if we can get it in Spain just before we do our local (2 of us) meeting for worship.
You might also be interested in this post from the ‘jolly quaker’ (Mark Russ) brought to my attention by twitter.