Meeting your maker

Just a small contribution from my mobile phone in sunny Spain at 700 metres and 35 degrees.

As this is not a personal blog, I am/have been wary of posting anything too personal or idiosyncratic.
The NFN does not have a nominations group but every AGM invites members to join the steering group if they wish and we currently have an SG of about 12 – see the relevant page for details.
Clerk, treasurer, conference organisers etc. fall by mutual agreement (or discernment?) to those who volunteer. So I find myself our second web person although I have hoped that other members of the SG and interested members of the Network (who may not want to volunteer for the SG) might also become contributing posters or editors (please do come forward!). In the meantime anyone can contribute by posting comments.
And so, bearing in mind all the excellent (and personal and idiosyncratic) Quaker blogs out there, I thought I’d put a spanner in the works or a cat among the pigeons here by posting something personal in the hope of stimulating (provoking) further non- theist discussion.
I don’t suppose many non-theists have any difficulty with the expression (or concept of?) ‘meeting your maker’.
An older member of my meeting (90 next birthday) recently said he tells enquirers after what he is doing now that he is ‘waiting for God’. I remember many years ago my father sitting in his armchair telling me he was only ‘waiting to die’.
One thing all of us have in common, theists and non-theists, is that none of us is exactly sure what ‘meeting our maker’ will be like.
I suspect (perhaps hope) a sleep from which I never wake up, RIP, mere oblivion. On the other hand, if not re-incarnated as the nth Dalai Lama, perhaps as a ‘bull in Wisconsin’ (try the Internet).
I doubt if many theists think that heaven (or hell) is a jolly place to meet up with old friends, Friends or long lost relatives.
Some members of NFN, even the Steering Group, describe themselves as ‘theist non-theists’ (or vv.) or ‘differently godded’ so may have different concepts of what God (a God) is and that is surely true for theists. So when does God become not God? When does a theist become a non-theist? (Darwin went at least halfway after publishing ‘Origin of the species’).
At 71 and for various health reasons I may be thinking about death more than is good for me. In some ways life is less precious because there’s not enough time left and I have so many regrets for things not done. On the other hand I can be grateful for each extra day granted not knowing whether I might fall under a bus tomorrow or struggle on for another 25 years.
If God is just a name we give to love, fate, eternity, the universe or the power that creates, sustains and destroys the universe or life itself, it would be nice to know before I depart this mortal coil to substitute another phrase for meeting my maker.
I look forward to your theistic, non-theistic, enthusiastic or morbidly Melancholic responses.
Trevor as web-person, agent provocateur.

4 thoughts on “Meeting your maker”

  1. Not long after writing the above I came across this interesting discussion (if you read the comments there) on ‘the risks posed by non-theism in British Quakerism’, with reference to Derek Guiton’s book, from a link on the Quaker renewal group facebook page. Definitely worth a look as are the other writings there by Sam Barnett-Cormack: (I think the .es in the url is a quirk of blogger aka blogspot because I’m in Spain and will work perfectly well with and maybe .com – if you click on the link here in the uk it will probably come up as – or perhaps even appear as that if you are reading the post in the uk? Oh, Brexit!).


  2. I am an agnostic non-theist.

    I am also a molecular biologist and embryologist in awe at the implausible complexity of life.

    I also have a training in psychotherapy and thus a curiosity about meaning making, perception and the nature of subjective truth/reality.

    I have a massive thing for nature.

    So I personally feel peace with not knowing, and with revising my ‘model’ of the phenomenon with each new learning on the subject.

    But I kind of think of it less of Meeting and more of rejoining- a kind of cosmic entropy where all the tightness of holding life together in the bundle of a human being just dissipates back into the soup of molecules in the environment around us. A kind of stillness and peace.

    So I’d substitute “Meeting my maker” with “rejoining our origin”


  3. Does seem a bit morbid for such beautiful blue skies but the heat is overpowering so don’t fancy going to a hot place when the bucket is finally kicked! Perhaps reincarnate as a bee eater and I could get my own back on the wasp that stung me!


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